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Fantasia by geordiegirl on 28 December 2008 4:37pm
 
Anyone else enjoy this film as much as I do?

Watched it again recently, an absolute masterpiece in bits. Must look up Deems Taylor - I know the name but not what the guy did.

As I said on another thread, Disney must have been an influence on Terry G.

My favourite piece - the Creation of the Earth, to 'Rite of Spring' and the hippo/crocodile ballet to 'Dance of the Hours' (although we can never think of that without hearing Allan Sherman).
 
Re: Fantasia by mrsthing on 29 December 2008 1:51am
 
That's awful, but yes--I can't hear that music without "Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah" going through my head!

I like the movie, don't love it. Maybe if I had a bigger TV to watch it on--all I've got is a 13" color portable that won't work after February 17. Mr. Thing loves the movie, though--he and a lot of my friends remember being scared to death by "Night on Bald Mountain" when they were kids. I never saw it until I was an adult.
 
Re: Fantasia by sighthound on 29 December 2008 5:07am
 
I first saw "Fantasia" when I was about two and a half but I didn't consciously remember it. Later on, while I loved classical music, I would get really upset at the "Rite of Spring", even though I liked other Stravinsky. I didn't know why until I saw "Fantasia" again when I was in film school and realized how traumatizing those dinosaurs were to a two-year old.

My graduate advisor was Dave Hilberman who was one of the designers on that sequence. I tried to joke with him about how he was responsible for my infant trauma but he took it very seriously and it pained him. He was also a designer on "Bambi" and I never told him about how traumatizing that film was! (I still have never been able to bring myself to watch "Bambi" again. I made the mistake of seeing "Dumbo" again as an adult and couldn't stop myself from yelling at the screen about Disney's horrible emotional manipulation of children.)

Dave died this year. He was a wonderful man and a great teacher who spent his life working for the poor and the underdogs of this world. He was one of the people who started the strike against Disney in the 40's and, because of that, Disney denounced him in front of the House Un-American Activities Committee, claiming that Dave was a Communist which put him on the blacklist. Dave had to live in England for years to be able to work but came back to the U.S. when UPA started and did great work there. (He was the physical prototype for the design of Mr. McGoo.) R.I.P., Dave. I miss you.

Yes, I'm sure Terry G. was influenced by Disney as all people who work in animation are but the influence is usually negative.
 
Re: Fantasia by tucsonmike on 29 December 2008 12:54pm
 
I have always enjoyed Fantasia. Great movie, music, animation.
 
Re: Fantasia by kazzzz on 29 December 2008 12:56pm
 
Anything that has hippoes in tutus is just fine by me!
 
Re: Fantasia by geordiegirl on 30 December 2008 1:18pm
 
Absolutely fascinating, Geraldine. (I overuse that phrase, but this was). DH was clearly a marvellous artist & how awful Disney had the power to ruin him like that. I never realised WD was QUITE so evil - knew about the fascism, but not the specifics of anti-unionism

Judy & Mike & Anne (is that everybody?) - it's a one-off & I quite see it isn't everybody's favourite.

Later; just told husband your story, G. He was absolutely riveted too. What a living link! I must get hold of a biography of Disney.

I do think this film is a wonderful one-off(see why it isn't everyone's absolute favoueite,Anne) but, yes, Kazzzz, it's just the concept of hippos in tutus! And, I watched the close-ups of their 'feet' in pointe shoes. Very exactly mirroring ballet movements.
I agree, Judy & Mike - Night on Bald Mountain IS scary - it's in the music there as much as anything.


DH clearly thought his animation of dinosaurs was too - precious to him? - to joke about! What a great job he did there. Yes I can see it'd scare you rigid when aged 2. Husband was giving me a running commentary on '30s scientific thought during this sequence, which was also interesting.

I can always look this up, but who WAS Deems Taylor, who introduced the sequences?
 
Re: Fantasia by mrsteabag on 30 December 2008 9:54pm
 
The hippos in tutus never fails to make me giggle. Sometimes I even watch the tape...:)
 
Re: Fantasia by mrsthing on 30 December 2008 11:01pm
 
The part that always utterly terrified me was "The Sorcerer's Apprentice." For YEARS after that, I couldn't hear that music without starting to panic. I'm okay with it now, though.

I saw Dumbo as an adult, and bawled my head off during the lullaby. I was surprised how many references there were to drinking and smoking in old movies--it's been a long time since that was allowed. BTW, the movie bears little resemblance to the original story.

Pinocchio scare the sh*t out of me, and I didn't see that one until I was 27 years old. All those donkey-boys crying, "We want our mo-o-o-o-thers!" Yes, Disney knows how to mess with kids' heads.

My daughter was really upset by Simba's father's death in "Lion King". Some idiot thought that would be an appropriate movie for little ones and showed it when she was 4.
 
Re: Fantasia by sighthound on 31 December 2008 6:29am
 
Deems Taylor was a minor composer and a major music critic in the 50's. He was the "voice" of the NY Philharmonic broadcasts so he seemed "high-brow" to the general public.

Disney was pretty much a meglomaniac. I lived in Orange County in my high school years and many of my friends worked at Disneyland. Disney used to frequently patrol the grounds and if he saw any employee not flashing the "Disney smile", he'd fire them on the spot.

The history of Disney and the ultra-conservative crudade against unions and the HUAC-inspired blacklist is long and involved and, yes, fascinating.
 
Re: Fantasia by mrsthing on 31 December 2008 3:06pm
 
Steve Martin worked at Disneyland for awhile as a youngster. I believe he said that that was where he honed his banjo, lariat, and standup skills. And John Cleese was the narrator for "House of Mouse" for a few years.

I worked for a few months with a woman (who turned out to be a man, but that's a different story!) who had worked for Disney in the early 1990s, and she had lifted a copy of their employee handbook when she left, which was 300 pages long. Yes, the smile was required, and lack thereof was grounds for immediate dismissal. There were so many picky rules about how you were to behave both on and OFF the job. I'd never last at a place like that--strict rules like that bring out my passive-aggressive tendencies.
 
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