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Re: i am shocked by my dear on 26 April 2003 9:42am
 
The thing that goes between quotation marks is a quotation.

'To quote' is the infinitive form of the verb 'quote'.

Yes, the Americans have mangled the English language - so if you want to think of 'quote' as being a noun, then be my guest.
 
Re: i am shocked by Miss-M on 26 April 2003 9:47am
 
Hey, I'm always willing to learn more about the English language!

I'm Australian by the way, not American! Does that go against me? LOL!
 
Re: i am shocked by Rusted on 27 April 2003 9:34am
 
From my Webster's II New College Dictionary (sorry, no Oxford English dictionary, not enough money for that!):

"quote (kwot) v. 1) To repeat or copy the words of another, usually with aknowledgement of the source. -n., informal. 1) A quotation. (Many consider 'quote' unacceptable as a substitute for 'quotation', especially in formal contexts.)"

To use 'quote' as a noun is really slang that has become accepted enough to be used commonly and put in some dictionaries. I'm assuming you, my dear, are one of those people mentioned who does not think its usage as a noun is totally acceptable. ;O)

As for me, I use both "quote" and "quotation" and I have no problem with either, so you guys can use whichever one you so please. :O)

~Mary
(American who constantly hears about how Americans slaughtered the English language from her English friend. Heh heh.)
 
Re: i am shocked by my dear on 27 April 2003 11:09am
 
Neither am I an advocate of allowing split-infinitives within informal writing.

Americans love to re-invent ideas. Take tea, for example. Iced tea is largely an American drink. Same with French Fries - no frenchmen likes his fries shaped like that.

I tend to agree with your English friend. The Americans like to toy with the English language and do weird things with it. Oh well. I guess that if a country has the military might, then it can do whatever it wants.

A rather sad reflection, really.

Oh, and thanks for actually bothering to look that up. Most people wouldn't even have thought to find out for themselves what actually is right or wrong. We allow too many people to do our thinking for us, simply because to work matters through on our own, or to verify facts, we actually have to labor, and it's much easier just to accept.
 
Re: i am shocked by ilse on 27 April 2003 12:31pm
 
let me begin by saying i was born and raised in Pennsylvania, so don't anyone get upset that i'm quite critical of america.

dude, americans didn't reinvent tea, they ruined it! many americans don't seem to understand the concept of pouring BOILING water over a tea bag and letting it steep- heck, even the restaurants here can't make a decent cup of tea! on the other hand, reinventing something isn't neccesarily bad.

americans do do ( <---- that can't be proper grammar!) some strange things to the english language, but then so do other places that speak english.

as for the military thing,i'm not proud of my country's arrogance, i'm sick of our government throwing it's weight around and acting like we own the world and the world should be thrilled about it. that said, our current president (and thus the administration) didn't actually get the majority of the votes, and a lot of us don't think that way.

 
Re: i am shocked by ilse on 27 April 2003 12:35pm
 
wow, i got a bit worked up there, didn't i? sorry if i was rambling.
 
Re: i am shocked by sleepydumpling on 28 April 2003 4:46am
 
Heh heh ilse - passionate about your tea huh?

You might like to read the piece by Douglas Adams about tea which is in the book published after his death "The Salmon of Doubt". He gives very detailed instructions to Americans in general on how to make tea!

Cheers
Kath
 
Re: i am shocked by my dear on 28 April 2003 10:16am
 
Well, I know how to make tea, but only because as a child I would watch our under-butler preparing my father's afternoon tea.

What you need is, a pocketwatch, a tea-pot, a tea-ball, some loose-leaf tea, and a lot of boiling water.

You take your tea-ball and stuff it full of loose-leaf tea leaves. Then you pour your boiling water into your teapot, empty your teapot, slip in the tea-ball, pour the boiling water into the pot, shut the lid, pick up your pocket watch, and wait exactly four minutes. When your four minutes are up, you remove the tea-ball, and you serve the tea, along with the various tea things, on a silver platter.

Your guests, if you have any, should be allowed to put in the sugar, cream, lemon, milk, or whatever of their own accord.

If you're a snob, like me, then you'll want to watch to see which of the guests pours the cream into their cup before they pour in the tea.

It's the height of bad manners to pour the cream into one's cup before pouring in the tea. You're supposed to do it after.

I've never seen a high socialite pour in the cream before pouring in the tea - but then, most socialites tend to drink their tea straight, or with a lemmon slice resting on the bottom of the cup.
 
Re: i am shocked by sleepydumpling on 28 April 2003 1:04pm
 
Oh no - ALWAYS pour the BOILING (never just hot) water directly onto the tea (be it bag, ball, loose leaves, whichever your pleasure)!

You should pour a little boiling water into your teapot first though, swill it inside to warm the pot, tip it out, pop in your tea, then pour the boiling (not boiled) water in onto the tea.

Putting the tea in after you have put the water in the pot means that the tea fails to connect with boiling water, and as small as it might seem, warming the pot makes the world of difference.

I know it sounds pedantic - but try it - you will taste the difference.

And don't believe the one about not putting the milk in first - I know, I know, many will tell you it scalds the milk, but the truth is, you will get a creamier result if you put the milk in first. And your tea will stay hotter (scientifically proven, just ask Dr Karl Kruszelnicki!) for longer.

Cheers
Kath

P.S. Never believe the one about holding your pinky finger up while drinking tea either!
 
Re: i am shocked by Rusted on 30 April 2003 9:57am
 
Heh.

I'll admit that America certinaly has messed around with the English language. As you mentioned, my dear, we tend to do that with a lot of things! I suppose it's part of the way American culture works. We collect many different influences from many different areas, alter it a bit and mix it all up, and then come up with this so-called "melting pot". It certainly makes America an interesting place to live in, but it has its drawbacks, as well.

I've found that it's difficult to defend American spellings because so many different countries use Oxford English as a standard. Most English-speaking countries do, and I think all European countries with a different language study Oxford English. Correct me if I'm wrong. I have a friend in Belgium who I know puts u's in his "colour" and "favourite" and spells "defense" with a c, etcetera. I've actually picked up a lot of this because of having strong British influences, so my writing ends up in a strange mixture of English and American spelling. I'm not sure if this is better or worse. ;O)

As far as tea, I've never liked it much. This may be because I've never really had it "properly made"; I certainly plan on trying some English tea if I ever make it over to England.

~Mary
 
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