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Art Censored by Loretto on 17 January 2011 11:28pm
This has been going on here for awhile. The cleaned up version of Huckleberry Finn has no racial slurs in it, now I read that Mark Knofler has been censored too. Just wondering what everyone else thinks about changing art to make it politically correct?

Re: Art Censored by Lounge Trekker on 18 January 2011 12:43am
I think it is wrong to censor art because a certain word was being used. Now if this piece of work were clearly an attack on a group that has somehow achieved protection from the PC movement, absolutely, get it changed. Apart from that, it is artistic expression and can be intrepreted in different ways.

Who would take offense at the use of a word meaning a bundle of sticks? Someone who likes being abused or feels the world is against him, male female or mixed?

I'm all for eliminating offensive behaviour and the protection of rights, but I think legislation must be passed to allow retroactive censoring of our art and music and literature. Let the MPs and Senators debate it. It's bad enough being a swimmer, (Single White Male, SWM, swimmer) we don't have any extra right's either!

Solo Trekker
Re: Art Censored by kisch on 18 January 2011 8:36am
Total disgrace. If you think it's dangerous, ban it, but not alter it.
Re: Art Censored by Loretto on 18 January 2011 2:19pm
I agree with both of you, in the article (link) posted the examples they use are from Knopfler's Money for Nothing (f..gg..t), and Mark Twain's use of n..g..r and slave in The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn. Both authors using the language to show the speakers ignorance.

I taught To Kill a Mockingbird to my 8 th grade classes and explained to the whole class, not just African American students, that the use of the "n" word was to illustrate the ignorance of the white people using it.

In the article Kennedy says some people "don't get it" well my issue with that is why not explain it to them instead of altering art/ literature that teaches us something about humanity?
Re: Art Censored by Lounge Trekker on 18 January 2011 2:33pm
Yes! Loretto. As with so many social issues, education of one or more groups of people will cause the 'problem' to become understood and reduced in it's perceived impact.

I think this is where 'the sound byte' approach to journalism does more harm than good. Covering a story without building context to allow complete understanding leaves our world open to the negative effects of ignorance and 'lack of time'.
Re: Art Censored by ev on 18 January 2011 4:36pm
On this topic of political correctness.. there's a very popular Australian singer/songwriter called 'Kevin Bloody Wilson'... a lot of people don't like him, because his songs often contain what's considered sexist, racist, obscene language, but this rare interview on mainstream TV makes you realise he's a very down to earth fella..

(Two parts, 10 minutes each):

For Lounge Trekker, and in the spirit of this topic about censorship in Canada, one of Kevin Bloody Wilson's most popular songs - called 'You can't say c..t in Canada'. He wrote it after he was told that he can't use that word on stage in Canada.. (..warning bad language!):
Re: Art Censored by Lounge Trekker on 18 January 2011 5:10pm
There was a 'comedian' doing the circuit here several decades ago, who just faded away. I don't know if he was forced out by the PC movement or if he was a catalyst in its manifestation as a voice of the moral mice. He didn't sing or do anything entertaining...he just used foul, abusive language.

Myself, I can't consider shock comedy an art, but some people like it. Maybe a rating or warning system is a better way to go than censorship.

Censored Trekker
Re: Art Censored by ev on 18 January 2011 5:32pm
I find that with shock comedy, the 'shock' factor ends up drowning out the comedy... it gets tired very quickly.. back in college for example, I remember thinking that South Park was incredibly funny.. now it barely raises a smile..

Writing good jokes for a long time is hard work.. maybe the fact Monty Python succeeded for so long was that they were a team and could help each other out..
Re: Art Censored by Loretto on 18 January 2011 11:54pm
I don't know ev, part of me thinks that the reason Monty Python is still considered funny today, 40 years on, is because they knew when to leave; on high note.

Also the writing was very clever and made you think about the humor. But there are parts of it that I really believe would cause raised eyebrows today, I remember reading that the 'Upper Class Twit of the Year' could be canned now-a-days because of the Special Olympics, a stretch I know.

There was a comedienne here called Andrew Dice Clay, he was sexist, offensive and foul; yet he had an audience. When he hosted Saturday Night Live over 20+ years ago some of the female cast members refused to appear on that show. He had shock value, but the humor was not intelligent humor.

Think about the very recent buzz saying Ricky Gervais went too far as host of the Golden Globes. I like him because he challenges political correctness, but in a smart a..s..d way. He makes himself look like a git. We are shocked as his audience at his "ignorance."

You're correct, writing good jokes for a long time is hard work; that's why we still hear about Monty Python but haven't heard a thing about Andrew Dice Clay; And that's a good thing.
Re: Art Censored by Loretto on 19 January 2011 1:14am
I started thinking about the big hoopla over Enid Blyton's books; and you know what, some of the stuff is really offensive. I just read this, it is old, but I never knew her books were so racist;


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