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Lawrence of Arabia. by tucsonmike on 4 August 2007 2:43am
 
PBS is doing a two part series on him. The movie was on yesterday. I felt I learned a lot about the man from the PBS series.

I am curious. How do people today in the U.K. see Lawrence?
 
Re: Lawrence of Arabia. by johnnythemonkey on 4 August 2007 9:56am
 
As Peter O'Toole ?
 
Re: Lawrence of Arabia. by geordiegirl on 4 August 2007 12:09pm
 
I'm not sure young people are too much aware, Mike (apart from the film). History taught in schools too my mind concentrates far too much on WW2 and Lawrence died in 1937. My personal view agrees with David Cannadine when he called him 'homosexual egomaniac' - and pointed out the British Empire had its share of these(no sexual criticism intended here I think- he was making factual comparisons with eg Cecil Rhodes). His 'house' (wierd little cell-like structure in Devon) belongs to the National Trust so people do visit because of that and a vague awareness of the name.And I'm sure they learn from that. But, to sum up, his image isn't as big as it was. (Alan Bennett did a wonderful parody of him in the play Forty Years on - but even that goes back to 1968!)
 
Re: Lawrence of Arabia. by johnnythemonkey on 4 August 2007 12:32pm
 
;)
 
Re: Lawrence of Arabia. by tucsonmike on 4 August 2007 4:48pm
 
I can understand that context, Linda. There was a multinational show where people could vote who they thought was the greatest person in their nations history and down the line.

In both the U.K. and France it was Churchill and De Gaulle respectively. That tells you to the general public, World War II is still the defining era.

 
Re: Lawrence of Arabia. by johnnythemonkey on 4 August 2007 5:03pm
 
Did anyone ask the Russians ? I think their sacrifice of at least 20 million lives was the defining factor in beating the Nazis. Many young Americans fought and died during WW2 but I still think that the U.S government's reasons ( forget Pearl Harbour ) for entering the war was for economic gain. Capitalism, pure and simple.
 
Re: Lawrence of Arabia. by tucsonmike on 5 August 2007 1:44am
 
Whoa, wait a minute. Pearl Harbor is our territory. If we did not respond, what were we supposed to do.
Yes, before you say it, I agree, FDR probably helped to make sure the Japanese would attack us.

The war got closer than you think. Get out of map of New York City. Look @ the
what are called The Narrows between Staten Island and Brooklyn. My father told me German U-Boats patrolled just outside that.

Four German spies were landed by submarine 110 miles East of that in Amagansett, New York, a town I went to frequently as a kid.

I agree, we did not face what Britain and Russia faced. I will also admit the war pulled U.S. out of the Great Depression. Just for financial reasons?

Tell that to Elaines uncle who fought @ the Bulge.
 
Re: Lawrence of Arabia. by johnnythemonkey on 5 August 2007 10:28am
 
I said ' forget Pearl harbour' only in the sense that I don't think that it was the U.S's reason for entering the war, but an excuse for doing so. The only victor of WW2 was America and ironically Germany and Japan, whose economies boomed whilst my country went through economic starvation due to your capitalist greed to take what was the British Empire and all that went with it. I think Britain and the English in particular were once the most hated race on the planet. That accolade now belongs to the U.S.
 
Re: Lawrence of Arabia. by geordiegirl on 5 August 2007 5:39pm
 
Yes, I remember that series of TV programmes, Mike. Who did US vote for? Or was US considered too big & disparate to have a unified vote?Interesting about the French and De Gaulle - they went through such an anguished period of Collaborator-Hunting in the late 1940s (I must read Antony Beevor's book about it sometime)- I'd have thought they might have wanted it all behind them. The Brit view of De G certainly wasn't that of the French!

Back to T.E.L. - At the time of his death he was working on air/sea defences so he'd have been involved in a secret way in WW2, I imagine (altho' knowing his genius for self-publicity something would have got out). They were a striking family, as I expect the programme showed. His youngest brother, professor A.W.L, just died a few years ago- aged about 99 (Professor of archaeology, I believe)- he never prevented biographies of T.E. but was definiyely the Keeper of the Flame - lots of the dodgier stuff only got confirmed after A.W.'s death.
 
Re: Lawrence of Arabia. by tucsonmike on 5 August 2007 6:37pm
 
The U.S. voted for Reagan. See, that gives you an idea. For us, the 1980's and the end of the Cold War were the important era.
Yes, the program on Lawrence covered a fair bit on his family. I will be curious
to see Thursdays program.
 
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