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A Universal Language? by Tbrose on 30 January 2012 2:22pm
An interesting topic was brought to my attention today when I had to write a short essay on a universal language to be spoken by all countries: whether or not it is a good idea and if so, which language to use.

Yes, increase in global business has become demanding, but the thought of one language to be used throughout the world is not a positive one. Language is too big a part of history and culture. Abolishing that would be terrible.

As one entering the field of language, Id really hate to see something I find so interesting be lost for the purpose of convenience. Learning about language has brought me to learn so much about other cultures, and that knowledge, that understanding, is invaluable.

What do you think?
Re: A Universal Language? by Lounge Trekker on 30 January 2012 3:46pm
It's a great idea Rose. Where would the starting point be? The French will say we'll start with French then it can evolve so others can understand it. The UK will say English, and so forth.

The debate over what language to start with may take generations to resolve. I think it might be easier to learn a little of languages spoken in countries we might visit.

We can start with learning a few phrases of the native language in areas we visit. Important words and phrases:

Where is the bathroom?
ES ¿Dónde esté el baño?
DOnday estEY el banow

FR Ou est la salle de bain?
Oo ay la sal de bain


Es Por favor Pour fabor

Fr S'il vous plait See voo play

Thank you

ES Gracias Grass ee ass
FR Merci Mehr see

If everyone gives us a few words or phrases translated into other languages accompanied by the phonetic, we can start here and now by learning a few new words in other languages.

Formatting in this forum is difficult!

The universal language:

Where's the toilet? UL Grasp crotch with both hands and jump around a bit.
Re: A Universal Language? by Loretto on 30 January 2012 3:51pm
I think Esperanta? Was an effort at universal language Rose, and it failed miserably. As for "language of convenience" some one argued that Ebonics or Black English was the result of European slave masters communicating in the simplest of English language usage with captured slaves on the west African coast. Hence the prevalence of "I be ....." instead of conjugating the verb To Be in Ebonics. Interesting argument I thought!
Re: A Universal Language? by Loretto on 30 January 2012 5:07pm
Down the hall and to your right Pete
Don't forget to flusho, washo and wipo.....
But not in that order!


I think symbols are a universal language?
The power button has the circle with a line through it, male female figures on bathroom doors, the care labels on clothing are pretty much the same around the world. So maybe universal communication won't be through a spoken language but through written symbols?
Re: A Universal Language? by johnnyBgood! on 30 January 2012 7:46pm
I once replied to an ad in our local paper ( in my best friend's name ) for anyone interested in Esperanto classes being ran locally, way back in the seventies.
He was pestered for months by this old geezer, who was trying to get it up and running, phoning him !

One of his pranks on me a few years later was putting my death notice in the same local rag.....but his prank cost him about £40 !
Re: A Universal Language? by TERRY S on 30 January 2012 11:02pm
We have two already: music and Esperanto. Don and I had this very discussion the other day when we saw an Esperanto book in a library.
Re: A Universal Language? by Tbrose on 31 January 2012 8:40pm
Great point about music, Terry.

Esperanto is a brilliant idea as a SECONDARY language, allowing speakers to retain cultural identity... unfortunately, I have yet to meet a single person who speaks it.

Haha, I've never thought of Ebonics being a "language of convenience." I suppose going without the conjugation would be simple enough to learn.
Re: A Universal Language? by ev on 1 February 2012 9:04am
I have a book somewhere that's designed for travellers.. it just has hundreds of different symbols and pictures instead of words, so you can use it in foreign lands.

Re language I think it'll be hard to predict what will happen over the next few decades.. it's quite possible that within 20 years translation software will be able to take care of translations between most major languages. In addition, I think English will continue to grow as the 'global language', but will change dramatically as a result. Every language is constantly evolving.

Also I think the use of abbreviations will become more and more prevalent until everyone will be saying wtf omg lol stfu.

They're already starting to be accepted by the Oxford Dictionary:
Re: A Universal Language? by Spursfan2 on 1 February 2012 10:28am
I love the language of Turkey - Turkish (obviously!). It has so many 'set pieces' so you can go quite a long way into a conversation with a stranger before hitting that awful moment when they think you can speak it quite well and therefore begin to 'jabber away'!!

For example, when you arrive anywhere - be it a restaurant, the country itself or to someone's home, the person greeting you says 'Hos Geldiniz!' (cidilla on the s) 'Welcome' and you as the visitor say 'Hos Bulduk!' 'Welcome Found'. How lovely is that?!

Simiarly, when leaving somewhere, as the leaver you say 'Allahaismaladik' ('I call on Allah') and the people who are being left say 'gule gule' ('go with a smile').

Also I have found the phrase cok guzel (cidilla on the c and umlout in the u) covers a multitude of situations. It can mean very good, very nice, very beautiful - so you can use it to describe a child or baby, clothes, a meal, the weather, a photograph or picture, someone's manners - you name it!! VERY useful phrase!

Of course as with any language, there are now new versions of these phrases - including what you should say if someone sneezes!

It is such a complicated language to learn properly though (we are trying!!) as there are suffixes and prefixes galore!! Why have two or three words when you can stick bits on and still have one word, seems to be the Turkish way!

I hope you think this post is 'cok guzel, Johnny? HEE HEE

Re: A Universal Language? by johnnyBgood! on 1 February 2012 7:03pm
Cok guzel ? Is that a typo for cock guzzle ? ;)
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