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Re: UK Times article by Sophie-Louise on 14 January 2006 4:04pm
 
what a load of b******s!!!! some jealous journalist i say! i wish i could express my views on this times site...
 
Re: UK Times article by Godfather on 14 January 2006 4:10pm
 
Interesting. Travellers always get lots of criticism, such as accusations that they are turning a blind eye and supporting the Military Junta by travelling to Burma, for example. Same with Air Travel. No doubt, air travel "does" pump a hell of a lot of emissions into the air. Well, i blame the trend of cheap flights while rail services rise yearly in price,lower in quality, and the days of travelling by ship are virtually dissolved nowadays, apart from cruise liners. Myself,i would be perfectly happy to sail and take weeks getting to places on travel trips. But, you simply cannot get on cargo ships that easily,thesedays as an independent traveller. Rail fares are usually absurd, and it's often cheaper to fly to Egypt from UK,than it is to take a long distance rail trip within Britain.Something is very very wrong there. So travellers are not the only ones to blame. The article also misses the point that in the last two series MIchael has done, he has been doing much of it overland between countries. Much less flying than in something like Full Circle.
 
Re: UK Times article by simon1287 on 14 January 2006 5:43pm
 
Excerpt:
"And here is a paradox — he is President of Travel 2000, which campaigns on transport policy issues, particularly those relating to urban areas".

Michael is the President of Transport 2000, not Travel 2000, which is an American Ticket Consolidator.
These journalists should try doing some real research instead of reading previous articles from their publication and carefully blending these and their own opinions into a story that is unfounded in the majority of scenarios.
 
Re: UK Times article by JF on 14 January 2006 6:08pm
 
So, if I get the gist of it, this is an article in a newspaper suggesting that there is too much air travel.

The newspaper in questions, however, has both a travel supplement and a travel magazine, neither of which have banner headlines screaming "STAY AT HOME!!! DON'T GO ANYWHERE!!!".

Does anyone else see something odd about that?
 
Re: UK Times article by sighthound on 14 January 2006 9:22pm
 
As with Linz, I'm conflicted about air travel. Yes, it is polluting and, with no hybrid jets on the horizon, we are a long ways from making it less so. But we are living in a globalized time and the best hope for our planet is for ordinary folks to meet other ordinary folks from other cultures to counteract the commercial and political propaganda that is used to divide us.

There is no "magic bullet" solution here. The choices we make do not fall into black and white options but into an enormous sea of grey. We all just have to decide what, in our individual lives, is for the best and hope that we make the right choices.
 
Re: UK Times article by canaveralgumby on 14 January 2006 10:40pm
 
I'll do the cut & paste for everyone, so we don't all cause greenhouse emissions going to the Times site!

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Globetrotter Palin brought down to earth by eco-lobby

By Ben Webster, Transport Correspondent

MICHAEL PALIN is facing moves to oust him as president of a leading environmental group because of his passion for long-distance air travel.

The Times has learnt that senior members of Transport 2000, which campaigns for sustainable travel and against growth in flights, believe that Palin sets a poor example.

He has flown more than a quarter of a million miles in the past 17 years while making his six TV series, which began in 1988 with his attempt to retrace the fictional footsteps of Phileas Fogg in Around the World in 80 Days. He has travelled across every continent, visited both poles and, most recently, climbed the Himalayas.

On screen he is seen riding dog sleds, camels, elephants and hot-air balloons. But few viewers will have realised how many air miles he clocked up making the programmes. For the Himalayas series alone, Palin made seven return trips between London and Asia. His share of the carbon dioxide emissions of those flights was 24 tonnes, 12 times more than the average car emits in a year.

Palin recently admitted that he had spent the past 17 years “busy polluting this environment on almost every conceiv- able form of carbon-emitting vehicle”. But he also claimed that his adventures reduced overall greenhouse gas emissions by encouraging people to remain on their sofas.

He told a recent environmental conference: “I shall continue to make travel programmes, secure in the knowledge that the food I’m seen eating, the sanitary arrangements I’m seen experiencing and the coughing attacks that strike me halfway up high mountains are doing more than any government could to persuade people to stay at home.”

However, travel firms use the phrase the “Palin effect to describe the surge in bookings for each destination he visits. The Adventure Company, which specialises in holidays off the beaten track, said that bookings for Peru tripled after he went to Machu Picchu.

Mark Wright, the managing director, said: “Palin put it in everyone’s living room. The same thing happened with his Himalayan series. People who might previously have been happy with two weeks in Benidorm are persuaded to try far-off places.”

The Association of British Travel Agents said: “In recent years, Palin has been more responsible than any other individual for inspiring people to travel to exotic locations.”

Transport 2000 has grown increasingly embarrassed not just by Palin’s journeys but his attempts to defend them. Its mission statement says it “seeks movement towards a society that relies less on cars, lorries and planes and makes more use of rail, buses, trams, cycling and walking”.

A foreword by Palin for its annual report was edited to remove a reference to the individual’s “right to fly”. Mayer Hillman, a founder member of Transport 2000 and an expert on sustainable transport, said: “Michael’s a lovely person but his flying means he is not an appropriate role model. He should consider his position because the president should set a good example.” Palin made a new year resolution last year to confine his travels to Europe. But within six weeks he flew to San Francisco.

In April, he dismissed reports that he would make no more travel programmes. He wrote: “The truth is that I could no more stop travelling than I could stop drawing breath.”

Stephen Joseph, director of Transport 2000, said Palin — who did not reply to questions put by The Times yesterday — had drawn attention to the environmental damage done by transport. “Criticisms of the travelling he does as part of his job miss the point. You can’t make a travel series in a London studio unless you want it to turn out as an Ealing comedy.”

www.timesonline.co.uk/greentravel

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"That's what Jesus said, Sir!"


 
Re: UK Times article by kazzzz on 14 January 2006 11:00pm
 
Well...he's so nice they just have to find SOMETHING to pick on him for don't they!
 
Re: UK Times article by simon1287 on 14 January 2006 11:53pm
 
Very true kazzzz!
If this is the only bad piece of publicity Michael is going to receive, well shame on the journalists who have bought this story to the limelight.
Regardless of whether Michael travels by air or not, somebody will have his place on the plane.
Until the day arrives that Michael charters 747's for private use or hires Lorries to drive him from North London to a small shop in Leatherhead for a bottle of milk, I don't think Michael has done anything to feel guilty about and that his principals regarding Transport 2000 are as strong as ever.
 
Re: UK Times article by kazzzz on 14 January 2006 11:59pm
 
Indeed...and why target Michel anyway? What about say...Sir Richard Branson?
 
Re: UK Times article by sighthound on 15 January 2006 12:06am
 
Hey, I'd fly into space with Sir Richard anytime, hydrocarbons be damned....
 
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