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Re: mosque in djenné Mali by George on 3 February 2004 9:15pm
P.S. I was always told the problem was I don't speak "Parisian" French. However, I do speak French well enough to be understood by any Frenchman. That said, how many nice, well meaning Americans do speak French like a Parisian?
Re: mosque in djenné Mali by Godfather on 4 February 2004 1:24am
Yes. I think some people have been generalizing far too much when it comes to Americans abroad. It's unfair, and we all end up doing it at some stage without thinking that it's not "everyone". All "groups" of tourists (no matter what nationality) are a very inflexbile problem when it comes to different cultures.

I've met many young American guys travelling, and they're extremely knowledgeable about what they're doing, and the country they're in. I met one my age in Tibet in 2002. We came in together from Nepal. He was heavily into Buddhism and Photography. He absolutely refused to be waited upon with any western comforts. His intention was "When in Tibet" and i'll give him his due. He kept to his word and ate Tsampa and all the bland and dire Tibetan food the entire time he was there (which i had a hard time doing the entire trip,i'll admit).

Later on after we split in different direction,he emailed me and told me what he'd been getting up too. He'd met some Tibetans one day in Lhasa and went off with them for weeks on a cattle herding trip. Staying with them in basic animal skin tents, and drinking that atrociously yukky "yak butter tea". They also witnessed a sky burial. Yeah, he was some solid proof that it's not really nationalities as such. But numbers.

When you have a group of people together from a certain culture. They're usually hoping to view the couhtry they go to,through the eyes of their cultural bubble within the group. They dont want to be flexible. They would rather that the culture bend to "their" needs. It makes them very inflexible and very insensitive at times. Saying all this. It's very hard for me, not to lump ALL Israelis when travelling into a generalization as being rude, arrogant,bullying, and totally uncompromising. But the several single Israelis i've met on my travels,deny me from doing that everytime. It all comes down to "numbers" it seems. The group mentality of any nationality together in numbers. Single travellers are always the most considerate,culturally interested, flexible, and compromising of any traveller i would say.
Re: mosque in djenné Mali by George on 6 February 2004 6:38pm
I appreciate your advice very much. What are few things Americans do when traveling in "herds" that are likely to irritate people?
Re: mosque in djenné Mali by Godfather on 7 February 2004 12:23am

Mostly, all those collective "Wooo. yeah..Wooo" 's get to people. LOL. My mother is Irish. One comment she cannot stand is when Americans visit Ireland and say "Wow..i just looove your accent.Is'nt it cute". She really resents Irish being viewed as "Cute"..hehe
Re: mosque in djenné Mali by pfsmalo on 10 February 2004 8:01pm
Thanks for all your replies although we do seem to have missed the original point!!!Was it Italiens or Americans that caused the mosque to be closed to non-muslims ?
Re: mosque in djenné Mali by Katin on 11 February 2004 12:51am
Yes we did sort of get carried away.Anyway in 1998 an Italian tv crew filmed a provocative fashion show enraging the locals.Thus the mosque was closed to non muslims.At least it did not cause rioting unlike Nigeria
Re: mosque in djenné Mali by Katin on 11 February 2004 12:53am
So our American buddies are vindicated lol
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