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For the Russians Here, What Do Think of This? by tucsonmike on 15 December 2007 9:48pm
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/7144560.stm
 
Re: For the Russians Here, What Do Think of This? by Katia on 16 December 2007 1:00pm
 
What would you like to hear, Mike? To be honest, the author of the article seems to be confused, anyway, I didn't fugure what it's about. General atiitude? All that "we don't trust you etc" bollocks? All right, that IS bollocks. I do not know what else to say really. I am not in Moscow, I am in St.Peters. By the way, most street signs as well as other signs are in two languages. But St.Peters is a kind of a state itself and has always been, even under the soviets. Actually since the moment Peter The Great built it and called "the window open to Europe". That was 300+ years ago. It explains everything all right, I hope:)

Anyway, I do not like the general air of hostility in that article (and I do not care if there is any real ground for it, I come to Moscow once a year on business and have no time to mingle, sorry;). So no constructive answer. Ask me about St.Peters if you want. But no politics please. Thanks:)))))

UPD - sorry, just remembered. Kisch and I went to Moscow this year to see Marc Almond in concert. So here is an example - this man has been living "in and out" of Moscow for the last 6 years. So there is definitely something for an Englishman there. A week ago in London Marc said, "there is a lot of radiance in Russia" - wish I'd asked him what he did mean! If you ask my favourite band (English and London-based) The Tiger Lillies, what is their favourite/memorable place to play, they will say St.Peters. There is something I can't understand, but I would not put all that down to their freakish artistic nature. So anyway, don't pay much attention to that confused journalist. There must be some radiance, whatever it is, anyway:)))
 
Re: For the Russians Here, What Do Think of This? by kisch on 16 December 2007 5:10pm
 
I have read the half of the article. The words that come to mind are :
BLEH !
RUBBISH ! And
"Lazy Journalism"

Never trust anything you read in the papers - go and see for yourself.
I'm ready to read the 2nd half now.
 
Re: For the Russians Here, What Do Think of This? by kisch on 16 December 2007 5:25pm
 
Read the rest. The quote comes to mind : "it's people like you what cause unrest". The journo tries to raise the hysteria, and see things the way he wants to see it.
But people still work for British companies here, people still want to go to their own great British holidays, still want to make friends and to learn about the culture. There is no way back to the Cold War, only way forward to communication and mutual benefits. (I'm sounding an awful lot like Mr Palin here - but this is the only way to react).
PS - I'm visiting North-West region of Russia a lot due to my work, and believe me, most of the road signs ARE in Latin letter as well as Cyrillic.
 
Re: For the Russians Here, What Do Think of This? by tucsonmike on 16 December 2007 6:55pm
 
Well I am glad you ladies answered it. This way, I did not have to take the authors opinion for it.

Trust me, in past jobs I have had enough dealings with the "media."

I figured who better to answer than the folks who live here everyday. You told me
what I wanted to hear Katia. How true or not true it is for you folks.
 
Re: For the Russians Here, What Do Think of This? by Katia on 16 December 2007 8:07pm
 
It's me who works for a British company and who's using the least opportunity to get to the UK, but being an Anglophile is my private affair:) Right, on a more serious note. It's not a secret that this year has been not the most favourable in developing relationship with Britain, damn the politics, but that's a fact. So nobody in the UK would have missed a chance to give Russia a good kick in the pants (sometimes causing an adequate response;)). I do hope this campaign clears soon. Mind you, personally I am not a big fan of my country and am looking towards the West:). The author may have a point there about the inferiority complex, all right, in general it exists and goes without explanation. So if they mention some provocation involving teenage twits, well something may have happened, but I bet it has nothing to do with the President or any officials as there always are dirty little politics on some low local level involving lower classes, but with so little influence that it can be neglected. Any big country has it.

Now I realize even more clearly how lucky I am to have lived all my life in St.Peters. Hence my mentality and general attitude:)
 
Re: For the Russians Here, What Do Think of This? by canaveralgumby on 16 December 2007 9:15pm
 
I'm of Russian descent, well, half of me if you add it up! So even though I'm American I'd like to chime in.

I have a feeling the majority of Russian citizens are more than a little nervous right now and not happy about Putin or his gov't. I have a feeling the writer of the opinion piece was dwelling on a small group. It's as if a journalist from Russia came to the US and based their article about Americans on some time spent with a small reactionary group of college students, or with a gang.

I am worried for the Russian people. I hope they can weather political trend.
 
Re: For the Russians Here, What Do Think of This? by tucsonmike on 16 December 2007 11:32pm
 
My mothers parents were from Minsk and Ukraine. Grandma was much younger than Grandpa and a member of Young Pioneers. She saw the Communist Party as a ticket to the good life. She left Russia, because her father, who had emigrated to Wilmington, Delaware sent for her. She did not want to leave. (She then spent six years stranded in London, but that is another story). Grandpa left under the Czar, another story.

OK, here is what I grew up with about Russia:
I like Russian classical music (The Opera, Prince Igor). Otherwise, Russia was always forbidding. A place that hated and wanted to kill Jews, wanted to conquer the world a la Stalin etc.

Oh, you thought this was just coming from my family?
My father's colleagues, my surrogate uncles in Poland? Well, let's not go there...

So ladies, I am thrilled you are educating me. You see, I would like to think myself an open person. That is why I ask questions.
 
Re: For the Russians Here, What Do Think of This? by MMMmmm... on 17 December 2007 12:02am
 
Very interesting, all - thank you!

I think like and dislike can be found everywhere for everything. The details are always more nuanced.
 
Re: For the Russians Here, What Do Think of This? by kisch on 17 December 2007 3:11pm
 
LOL Mike, "a place that wanted to kill Jews"... what Romans ever done for us..? LOL Hitler wanted to kill Jews and conquer the world, Roman emperors wanted to kill Jews and conquer the world. For the Soviet Young Pioneer (which I was !) Europe and USA were the countries that wanted to kill everyone and conquer the world.
Tell you what. In any country there are open-minded people and narrow-minded ones. That's the basis for all the conflicts and anti-anything hysteria.
Russia is not that terrible:) I mean, people live everywhere (even in Sudan !) and they have pretty much the same problems everywhere. I'm not a patriot, I do not love or even like my country, but portraying it as the worst place on Earth... no. Also, I'm half-Jewish.
 
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