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Scotland has second highest murder rate in Europe by JHorst on 6 February 2008 3:01pm
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,2763,1578388,00.html

JTM, you might want to rethink the passive nature of the Scots!

Stupid link didn't work, here goes, from the Guardian, Monday September 26, 2005
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Scotland has the second highest murder rate in western Europe and Scots are more than three times more likely to be murdered than people in England and Wales, according to a study by the World Health Organisation.
The study, based on the latest crime figures from 21 western European countries, finds that only Finland has a higher murder rate than Scotland.

Scotland's homicide rate is 2.33 deaths for every 100,000 people each year, compared with 0.7 in England and Wales. In Spain it is 1.02, and in Italy 0.96. Germany has western Europe's lowest murder rate: 0.68 per 100,000 people.


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While Finland's high murder rate is attributed to its liberal penal policy, which sees offenders sent to jail only as a very last resort, Scotland's rate is put down to the use of alcohol and drugs.
Almost half of murders in Scotland are committed by people under the influence of drink or drugs - particularly in Glasgow, which, despite its successful effort to shed its hardman image in the city centre, is still plagued with violence in its east end and hinterland estates.

Scotland's second city is in fact the murder capital of Europe, with about 70 killings each year. Much of the violence is caused by gangs vying to control the city's drugs trade.

But a culture of young men carrying knives also plays a part.

Official figures show that serious crime in the city has risen heavily: murders increased by 19% from 70 in 2003 to 83 in 2004. Attempted murders rose by a third in the same period, from 343 to 459.

John Carnochan, head of Strathclyde police's violence reduction unit, said the figures showed "new thinking" was required, and although a great deal of money had been spent, levels of violence remained "unacceptably high".

Annabel Goldie, the Scottish Conservatives' home affairs spokeswoman, said a zero tolerance approach to policing should be adopted.

The WHO report follows a United Nations report last week which said Scotland was the most violent country in the developed world: more than 2,000 people were subject to a violent attack each week, more than 10 times official police figures. However, the report's claim was disputed by politicians and senior police officers.

Another study from the University of California, to be published later this year, will claim Scotland has a higher homicide rate than America, Israel, Uzbekistan, Chile and Uruguay.

 
Re: Scotland has second highest murder rate in Europe by MMMmmm... on 6 February 2008 8:49pm
 
Johnny better be careful!
 
Re: Scotland has second highest murder rate in Europe by johnnythemonkey on 7 February 2008 2:58am
 
JHorst, I never claimed we had a passive nature. I said we had little gun crime and that gun deaths here were usually the result of drug ' wars'.
 
Re: Scotland has second highest murder rate in Europe by tucsonmike on 7 February 2008 3:59am
 
Look at the Scots who settled in the mountains in the United States. I can provide some suggested reading.
 
Re: Scotland has second highest murder rate in Europe by kazzzz on 7 February 2008 5:42am
 
Oh do tell Mikey.....
 
Re: Scotland has second highest murder rate in Europe by peripatetically on 7 February 2008 7:54am
 
Yeah, where do ya mean, Tucson?
 
Re: Scotland has second highest murder rate in Europe by tucsonmike on 7 February 2008 7:39pm
 
Get Senator James Webb's book Born Fighting, Arthur Herman's book How the Scots Invented the Modern World, and James Leyburn's the Scots Irish in America.

That culture spreads from Appalachia to Arizona. If you can find the History Channel program by country singer Billy Ray Cyrus, that will tell the story as well.
 
Re: Scotland has second highest murder rate in Europe by elina on 7 February 2008 10:02pm
 
"While Finland's high murder rate is attributed to its liberal penal policy, which sees offenders sent to jail only as a very last resort"

Unfortunately. Shocking in a country with a small population. And many violent acts and murders are conducted under the influence of alcohol. The most shocking recently was a stabbing of 30-year-old man. The drunken man who killed him didn't even know him, they had some argument and the other one ended up dead, in front of his fiancee.
 
Re: Scotland has second highest murder rate in Europe by sighthound on 8 February 2008 1:17am
 
Celts are born fighting. It's deeply encoded into our DNA. It's the only reason that we have been able to survive after endless attacks on us and our heritage.

That's why there is so much violence in America. All those Celts who fled persecution to fight their way to get here have left this combative heritage on our national character. (There is also the Anglo "empire-building" DNA that contributes to our national character but I will leave that discussion until later.)

That being said, I must say that I and most other Celts are diverting the war-like tendencies encoded in our DNA into the political process.

This week, the Kennedys (Celts all)trotted out the ancient Ted to support Obama and, in that same week, the venerable Ted came up with one of the best questions of the year. When a Bush Administration spokesman was testifying about our country's policies about interrogation of suspected terrorists and they were trying to defend the use of water boarding, Ted K. looked that official in the eye and asked him, if water boarding was used on him, would he consider it to be torture. The guy squirmed for a bit but had to admit that, if he was nearly drowned on purpose, he would consider that to be torture. Score one for Teddy and score a very big one against Bush and his cronies,
 
Re: Scotland has second highest murder rate in Europe by tucsonmike on 8 February 2008 2:00am
 
Found this on Glasgow Guide.

http://discuss.glasgowguide.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=11449

Johnny, you can jump in and refute 'em anytime.
 
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