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HAs anybody else received this in their email box? by peripatetically on 8 February 2008 7:28pm
I'm not usually one to talk about politics here nor wish to stir the pot, but has anybody else received this email? Just wondering....


by Dick Morris, former political advisor to President Bill Clinton

If you happen to see the Bill Clinton's five minute TV ad for Hillary

in which he introduces the commercial by saying that he wants to share

some things we may not know about Hillary's background . . .

Beware !

As I was there for most of their presidency and know them better than just about anyone, I offer a few corrections;

Bill says:"In law school Hillary worked on legal services for the poor."

The facts are: Hillary's main extra-curricular activity in law school was helping the Black Panthers, on trial in Connecticut for torturing and killing a federal agent. She went to court every day as part of a law student monitoring committee trying to spot civil rights violations and develop grounds for appeal.

Bill says: "Hillary spent a year after graduation working on a children's rights project for poor kids."

The facts are : Hillary interned with Bob Truehaft, the head of the California Communist Party. She met Bob when he rep resented the Panthers and traveled all the way to San Francisco to take an internship with him.

Bill says: "Hillary could have written her own job ticket, but she turned down all the lucrative job offers."

The facts are: She flunked the DC bar exam, yes, flunked, it is a matter of record, and only passed the Arkansas bar. She had no job offers in Arkansas , none, and only got hired by the University of Arkansas Law School at Fayetteville because Bill was already teaching there. She did not join the prestigious Rose Law Firm until Bill became Arkansas Attorney General and was made a partner only after he was elected Arkansas Governor.

Bill says: "President Carter appointed Hillary to the Legal Services Board of Directors and she became its chairman."

The facts are: The appointment was in exchange for Bill's support for Carter in his 1980 primary against Ted Kennedy.
Hillary then became chairman in a coup in which she won a majority away from Carter's choice to be chairman.

Bill says: "She served on the board of the Arkansas Children's Hospital."

The facts are: Yes she did. But her main board activity, not mentioned by Bill, was to sit on the Wal-mart board of directors, for a substantial fee. She was silent about their labor and health care practices.

Bill says:"Hillary didn't succeed at getting health care for all Americans in 1994 but she kept working at it and helped to create the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) that provides five million children with health insurance."

The facts are: Hillary had nothing to do with creating CHIP. It was included in the budget deal between Clinton and Republican Majority Leader Senator Trent Lott. I know; I helped to negotiate the deal. The money came half from the budget deal and half from the Attorney Generals' tobacco settlement. Hillary had nothing to do with either source of funds.

Bill says: "Hillary was the face of America all over the world."

The facts are: Her visits were part of a program to get her out of town so that Bill would not appear weak by feeding stories that Hillary was running the White House. Her visits abroad were entirely touristic and symbolic and there was no substantive diplomacy on any of them.

Bill says: "Hillary was an excellent Senator who kept fighting for children's and women's issues."

The facts are: Other than totally meaningless legislation like changing the names on courthouses and post offices, she has passed only four substantive pieces of legislation. One set up a national park in Puerto Rico. A second provided respite care for family members helping their relatives through Alzheimer's or other conditions. And two were routine bills to aid 911 victims and responders which were sponsored by the entire NY delegation. Presently she is trying to have the US memorialize the Woodstock fiasco of 40 years ago.

Here is what bothers me more than anything else about Hillary Clinton. She has done everything possible to weaken the President and our country (that's you and me!) when it comes to the war on terror.

1. She wants to close GITMO and move the combatants to the USA where they would have access to our legal system.

2. She wants to eliminate the monitoring of suspected Al Qaeda phone calls to/ from the USA .

3. She wants to grant constitutional rights to enemy combatants captured on the battlefield.

4. She wants to eliminate the monitoring of money transfers between suspected Al Qaeda cells and supporters in the USA .

5. She wants to eliminate the type of interrogation tactics used by the military &CIA where coercion might be used when questioning known terrorists even though such tactics might save American lives.

One cannot think of a single bill Hillary has introduced or a single comment she has made that would tend to strengthen our country in the War on Terror. But, one can think of a lot of comments she has made that weaken our country and makes it a more dangerous situation for all of us.

Bottom line: She goes hand in hand with the ACLU

on far too many issues where common sense is abandoned.

Re: HAs anybody else received this in their email box? by tucsonmike on 8 February 2008 7:57pm
Not yet
Re: HAs anybody else received this in their email box? by mrsthing on 8 February 2008 9:36pm
Haven't gotten it. I can't vouch for its truthfullness either way, but when people drop inflammatory words like "Communist" and "ACLU" (*very* inflammatory words where I come from), it's usually because the truth isn't a good enough story and the writer needs to juice it up with insinuation.

Dick Morris worked on Bill Clinton's 1996 campaign, so he may know something about Hillary. I just don't like inflammatory language--it turns me off immediately because it sounds extremist, and I don't trust extremists.
Re: HAs anybody else received this in their email box? by MMMmmm... on 9 February 2008 2:58am
Yeah, there's a lot of emails going around trying to say Barack's really a terrorist.

You just can't believe everything people send you in an email, no matter who it says it's from.

There's a lot of haters out there.
Re: HAs anybody else received this in their email box? by tucsonmike on 9 February 2008 5:09am
Dick Morris wrote the book Hillary vs. Condi.

I wonder where that went.
Re: HAs anybody else received this in their email box? by mrsthing on 9 February 2008 6:15pm
I checked it out on snopes.com, the site that investigates urban legends and emails like this one. The page for this email says "research in progress". It also says they first got this message in August of 2007, so it's been going around for awhile.

Some years back, I got an email about the "Revocation of Independence", reportedly written by John Cleese. I read it, and it really didn't sound like anything he'd write, so I looked it up, and sure enough, he didn't. It started as a joke between office mates in London, with only 4 points. As it got passed along, it was revised, edited, and appended, and somewhere along the line, John's name got attached to it. snopes.com found the original author and traced it through a number of revisions.

When I get emails like this one, I wonder first of all: Is it really from the person it says it's from? Then I wonder if it has been revised in any way. THEN I wonder if the author really knows what he or she is talking about, of if they're just someone with too much time on their hands attempting to stir up trouble.

I'd bet that most of the items in the email are fairly easy to research. I just don't have the time right now. And that's what the authors of these things are betting on: people don't know the truth, don't have time to dig for it, and are easily led by their emotions, which the emails are designed to stir up.


Re: HAs anybody else received this in their email box? by MMMmmm... on 9 February 2008 8:49pm
Thanks mrsthing - I figured it was hate mail. I know the Clintons aren't perfect - no one is. But they are much better than the treatment they get too much of the time.

I mean somehow the Reagans slid by such treatment, even while using horoscopes?

It's crazy.
Re: HAs anybody else received this in their email box? by johnnythemonkey on 10 February 2008 12:05am
Can't be arsed reading your post. Be concise or interesting .
Re: HAs anybody else received this in their email box? by sighthound on 10 February 2008 5:30am
If Clinton gets nominated, you will be seeing a lot more of this stuff. Don't take it seriously. It was really easy to call a person a communist back in those days and get away with it. When I was in High School, quite a few of my classmates were told by their mothers to not associate with me because I was a 14-year old commie. And their reason? Because I liked Danny Kaye movies. I still like Danny Kaye movies, dammit. (I did meet a few a few communists while I was in college but, like all "true believers", they never seemed to have a sense of humor.)

Some fairly reliable sources are reporting that Rupert Murdock is already stockpiling (and manufacturing) all sorts of new "scandals". These are coming from the same people who spent how many hundreds of millions investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair which was, basically, no one's business except Bill's and Hilary's and yet they refuse to investigate all the lies told that got us into this disastrous war that has killed so many Americans and Iraqis and is bankrupting the United States. And they won't even investigate all the missing billions given to civilian contractors who have delivered nothing at all for it (and I could go on and on but my blood pressure is rising.) It's going to be a really ugly election. It will be slightly less ugly if Obama gets nominated. There will be a feeding frenzy by the right wing press that will dominate ALL discussions and we won't be able to get down to talking about issues. Fox News is already sharpening their knives.
Re: HAs anybody else received this in their email box? by johnnythemonkey on 10 February 2008 4:33pm
Why Danny Kaye, Geraldine ? Was he a McCarthy victim ?
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