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Potential political upheaval in Canada by Lounge Trekker on 2 December 2008 3:31am
 
The three opposition parties have signed a coalition to defeat the Government in a non-confidence vote to be held next Monday. The Conservative party has a tenuous hold on power with a second minority government and is expected to use all legal means to try and keep it. This includes asking the Governor-General, Michäelle Jean, to call an election or declare a prorogation of parliament. This is essentially an admittance of failure and all bills passed since the last election are expunged.

The three parties, Liberal, NDP and Bloc Quebecois are a disparate and desparate bunch. Should this ploy work, the future Prime Minister, leader of the Liberals, will be an ESL guy that no one in English Canada can understand, the Bloc is the separatist party in Quebec and the Liberals abused their governing power for 16 years led by another guy that had difficulty being understood in English. The NDP has a mouthpiece as leader, but under this agreement, will only have 8 cabinet posts to the Liberal 16.

Fortunately, the actual functioning of our country will continue as usual. We will still be bullied if we don't pay our taxes.

The last coalition government had a brief stint at the helm during the second world war amidst a conscription issue.

Interesting times in the biggest sandbox in the country, Parliament Hill, Ottawa, Canada. But it is more than a game. Unfortunately when there is a federal issue, historically, we in the west feel it becomes an east vs west issue because the number of constituencies is greater in the east.

Lounge Spectator
 
Re: Potential political upheaval in Canada by tucsonmike on 2 December 2008 4:15am
 
Well, the taxman will still come to your door, while the politicians slug it out in Ottawa. Business as usual in politics, eh?
 
Re: Potential political upheaval in Canada by Lounge Trekker on 2 December 2008 5:33am
 
The Conservatives (governing party) ought to do a poll right now. The Question Period (where the opposition asks pointed questions of the Ministers - sounds like mudslinging) today showed the quality of the governing party. Very few opposition MP's looked good. Especially Jack Layton leader of the NDP. He's just a ***tslinger. This is when CPAC, a TV channel devoted to politics, shows it's value.

I didn't vote Conservative in the last election just a few months ago, but I might now if another election is called.

Equivocal Trekker
 
Re: Potential political upheaval in Canada by geordiegirl on 3 December 2008 8:13pm
 
Curse of Confucious - May You Live In Interesting Times, ej, Politics-watching Trekker?

Don't knock coalition governments too hard, Pete. Working together & all that: SOME good things may be accomplished before they all start falling out (from one who'd just love to see coalition politics in England - they have it in Wales & Ireland have had in Scotland)
 
Re: Potential political upheaval in Canada by Lounge Trekker on 3 December 2008 10:57pm
 
I'm in favour of the concept, but in this case the disparate goals of the three parties could be the cause of infighting within the coalition and render their government ineffective. If the Prime Minister were to resign, parliament be proroged and the country sent to another election, valuable time would be lost when the country needs good government.

Tough choices need to be made by the Governor-General. The Prime Minister is still meeting with her. He is expected to be asking for prorogation of Parliament, to give him political time to avoid a non-confidence vote in the house. He can then release the 2009 budget, hoping he will have enough support to remain in office.

This is far from business as usual.

Interested Trekker
 
Re: Potential political upheaval in Canada by Lounge Trekker on 5 December 2008 6:13am
 
The Prime Minister spent 1 1/2 hours meeting with the Governor General. He got what he asked for, a prorogation of Parliament. He side-stepped democracy and bought himself time to formulate a budget that will please the opposition parties. Unfortunately, I don't think his government will last long and we'll have a second election within a year of the last one.

He has shown us all that he values his position more than he values our country.

Non-partisan Trekker
 
Re: Potential political upheaval in Canada by geordiegirl on 5 December 2008 2:20pm
 
Very sad for Canafa, I agree. I hope for a good outcome.

But, perhaps forgive me, doesn't a Governor-General just get in the way? What do you think of that whole system of a GG?
 
Re: Potential political upheaval in Canada by mrsteabag on 5 December 2008 5:31pm
 
Anytime the Bloc Quebecois starts buddying up with anyone means trouble...it adds a new dimension to strange bedfellows...8o!
 
Re: Potential political upheaval in Canada by Lounge Trekker on 5 December 2008 6:32pm
 
Historically, the Governor General was a liaison with the Queen of England. The role is largely as a figurehead of sorts today. However, this is a case where her approval is required when the Prime Minister requests prorogation.

Michäelle Jean must remain politically neutral acting in the interest of the future of the country. She may have simply denied Mr. Harper's request forcing him to face the vote of non-confidence that would have taken place Monday seeing the co-alition become government. If he had offered his resignation she would have called an election. She accepted his request for more time, prorogation, in which all bills passed in this session of parliament will be expunged from the record.

He now has time to word his budget to try and get the opposition side of the house to agree that the Conservative party is acting for the best of the country as a whole.

This is the biggest reason for the Governor General, apart from being a pretty face in a field of suits. One can only speculate on the content of their conversation, but I think she must have considered the very real chance of the Bloc Quebecois holding a veto vote over the coalition.

The Liberal party and the NDP party formed a coalition with the Bloc signing an accord to vote onside in the non-confidence vote. So really, it wasn't a threat to sovereignty of Canada. Gilles Duceppe has a keen mind and is a positive force in Parliament, but we wouldn't want him to have too much strength in the House.

Lounge Canadian
 
Re: Potential political upheaval in Canada by geordiegirl on 7 December 2008 5:00pm
 
I'm sure you didn't quite mean this, Pete, but it sounds as if the Bloc Q. is a disruptive force everyone is wary of? Is that fair comment?. It's interesting.

About the G-G: well it sounds as if she acts as a non-Executive President: I find that the most preferable head of state personally. Agree that a woman - it's high time there was one- brings a different dimension to the role. So you generally see the post as a force for good?

 
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