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A Slightly-late Christmas Present From Israel by bIG bLOGGER on 27 December 2008 3:34pm
 
Press Networks are reporting today that in response to recent Hamas rockets fired into Israel from the Gaza Strip,Ehud Barak,the Israeli Defence Minister,today authorized air-strikes on Gaza and 30 missiles were fired,killing 195 and wounding at least 200. Israel claimed to be targetting Hamas police compounds but the press photos show many civilians being carried out into the street,either dead or wounded,and many are reported still buried under concrete and rubble.
A 6-month truce ran out a few days ago,and Barak says :"This is a time to fight..."

Obviously this will cause a very worrying further escalation in this most intractable of conflicts and we can expect the word 'disproportionate' to recur in reference to Israel's blitzkrieg-style of retaliation.One Israeli citizen was reported slightly injured close to where a Hamas rocket landed.
Israel seems to have no respect for Christmas at all.
 
Re: A Slightly-late Christmas Present From Israel by tucsonmike on 27 December 2008 11:56pm
 
Any reason why Israel should care about attacking Hamas on Christmas?, he asked.

Time had a good analysis about it last week. Israel cannot bomb Gaza into submission and it would be madness for them to reoccupy it.
They can, if they want starve Gaza into submission.
BTW, Israel should give Golan back to Syria. Even Israeli security experts say, Israel does not need Golan.
On Gaza, Israel is holding some cards. Face it, Hamas states they want to destroy Israel. Kinda tough to negotiate, with someone who wants to destroy you.
For the West Bank, I agree, Israeli settlements have to go. Well, Israel can offer the settlers the following: You want to settle there, fine. You will be under Palestinian authority. Don't like it, oh well.

The perfect solution would be to make the entire region an International Zone. Something tells me that would not go over well.

And then there is Iran.
 
Re: A Slightly-late Christmas Present From Israel by bIG bLOGGER on 28 December 2008 2:28pm
 
Thank you tucsonmike,for your incisive analysis.
I am persuaded that Israel has no intentions of attempting to negotiate with Hamas,or with Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) of Fatah for that matter.
Israel occupied the Golan Heights in the 1967 '6-Day War',and has held on to it ever since,so they must have some reason to do so,mostly,I think, because it could serve as a handy bargaining chip in their diplomatic relations with Syria.
As regards dismantling settlements in the West Bank,Israel has evidenced a marked reluctance to crack down (because it's not a popular move with the right-wing Zionists),except to remove one or two token so-called 'illegal' squats like the one they quashed in Hebron 3 weeks ago.

The toll in these latest strikes has now reached: 230 dead,including the Hamas Gaza Police Chief,and over 400 wounded.There is rumour now of a possible Israeli ground invasion of Gaza,with numbers of Israeli troops heading for the border.
 
Re: A Slightly-late Christmas Present From Israel by mrsthing on 29 December 2008 1:45am
 
Oh no! I have a young friend in the Israeli army. He's studying to be a medic.
 
Re: A Slightly-late Christmas Present From Israel by sighthound on 29 December 2008 4:08am
 
Israel made that move now so it would be a Fiat accompli before Obama takes over. That way, Obama cannot make diplomatic efforts to forestall a crisis and Israel keeps the upper hand.
 
Re: A Slightly-late Christmas Present From Israel by tucsonmike on 29 December 2008 12:59pm
 
World opinion probably would not like it, but Israel's best bet is not the air strikes or a ground invasion, but to just cut off supplies to Gaza.

The problem is, there is no way Israel can negotiate with Hamas. How do you negoitate with someone who plans to kill you anyway?
 
Re: A Slightly-late Christmas Present From Israel by bIG bLOGGER on 29 December 2008 2:54pm
 
I think Israel sees no point at all in trying any negotiation with Hamas because it knows it would never be able to agree to Hamas's terms,especially the evacuation of territories claimed by the Palestinians.Israel can use the argument:"Well,we cleared out of all the Israeli settlements in Gaza,and dammit they are still firing rockets at us."
The problem is that for every Hamas supporter killed,it acts as a recruiting sergeant for another dozen potential martyrs to the cause,or suicide-bombers.

In the latest (ongoing)airstrikes,Israel has targetted the Gaza Interior Ministry,the Port,the University,and a Mosque was also hit.

The latest casualty toll is: 320 dead;over 700 injured.One Israeli construction worker was killed by a Hamas home-made Qassam rocket.
 
Re: A Slightly-late Christmas Present From Israel by peripatetically on 29 December 2008 11:23pm
 
I personally don't see a solution to the problem.
 
Re: A Slightly-late Christmas Present From Israel by tucsonmike on 30 December 2008 12:21am
 
That's why Israel's only strategy here is to stave Gaza into submission.
 
Re: A Slightly-late Christmas Present From Israel by mrsteabag on 30 December 2008 10:13pm
 
This just makes me so sad...sometimes, even though I deplore violence, I toy with the thought of Secretary Rodham Clinton knocking the heads of Hamas and Israeli leaders together and telling them to cut it out. I apologize for the flipness, but thinking of the children on both sides upsets me to no end. Trouble is that this is rooted in tribal politics that probably go back to pre-Biblical times
 
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