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| dose the walker chose the path or the path the walker?
by arty_farty on 13 January 2006 3:40pm |
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i'm feeling philosophic today.
i feel that the path chooses us and we choose the path. like that toddler game where you hammer shapes through holes, if the square don't go through the hexagon then try another hole. |
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| Re: dose the walker chose the path or the path the walker?
by canaveralgumby on 13 January 2006 7:59pm |
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GOOD question! Makes me think of something I have been working out in therapy. (I love the internet - I can't have this conversation with everyone I know in person!)
Can one believe in pre-determination and fate, and also believe in free will at the same time?
I say yes. I believe that free will/responsibilty/ownership of one's own predicament is what you excercise in between (or as a response to) those events in life which you CAN'T control, i.e. fate.
What I have been working out in therapy is: Can I excercise my free will without my meds? And so far in my life, the answer has been a resounding NO! The inability of my organs to process proteins and my body's own hormones, mis-firing of neurons, malfunctioning of the immune system, malfunctioning of my reproductive system (did I CHOOSE to come here as a female? Whole other question!!). All these work against my mind being clear, lucid and free of depression and anger.
So I take my meds, and do my vitamin therapy, and adjust my diet (not as much as I should!), and open myself to talk therapy, and then I am a functioning, coping, loving, patient, creative person. Well, as much as possible! As much as anybody. In other words, the Dr. Jeckyl I ought to be.
But fate had it in store for me to be Mrs. Hyde about 65% of the time... Or DID it? I am alive during a period in history wherein they have solutions to my problems for the most part. If I were born, gosh, even 30 years earlier, I probably wouldn't have made it to age 40 and maintained a marriage and a family and a life.
BUT!! I am excercising my free will and choice by seeking help anywhere I can find it. More often than not, people fated with the same ailments as me (depression, MS for starters) don't even TRY to seek ALL the help that's out there. Spouses continue beating each other, parents abusing children, people committing assault, smoking or drugging or eating themselves into a stupor, etc., because they use their free will to REFUSE to do what it takes to get better.
How many in your family?
MAJOR arguments here against the victim mentality. What kind of American AM I?!?!?
So, yes, one is set upon A path. But in one's life, one can learn how to change to another path. And while you're on a particular path, it might get flooded or a tree might fall in front of you, so you have to choose whether to keep going on that path. Great analogy, arty!
YOUR TURN!
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| Re: dose the walker chose the path or the path the walker?
by tucsonmike on 13 January 2006 10:00pm |
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At the risk of sounding like a politician, I will say a little of both. I've learned it will feel "right" to make a certain choice.
Growing up, I would have told you the walker chooses the path without question. Now, I think things happen for a reason. (Sometimes, I wish I would be told what the reason is).
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| Re: dose the walker chose the path or the path the walker?
by perfectbitch on 13 January 2006 11:02pm |
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| I was given some advice a long while ago which has helped me. If you are at a crossroads or a fork in the road, take the path with heart even if it appears the most difficult. Linz |
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| Re: dose the walker chose the path or the path the walker?
by canaveralgumby on 14 January 2006 12:07am |
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name the authors!:
"When you get to the fork in the road, take it."
"When you don't know where you're going, any road can take you there."
"If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice." |
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| Re: dose the walker chose the path or the path the walker?
by riderofthepurplesage on 14 January 2006 12:37am |
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The American poet Robert Frost wrote:
"Two roads diverged in a wood,
and I, I took the one less travelled by,
and that has made all the difference".
But he doesn't say whether the difference was made to the wanderer or the road.
Alam |
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| Re: dose the walker chose the path or the path the walker?
by jaime on 14 January 2006 3:58am |
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| Re: dose the walker chose the path or the path the walker?
by canaveralgumby on 14 January 2006 10:54pm |
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Ha ha!
BAD JOKE of the DAY, for which I take no credit or blame:
A little boy asked his mother, "Is God male or female?" His mother said, "Well, God is both." The boy asked, "Is God black or white?" Mom said, "Well, God is both black and white, all colors, really." The boy asked, "Is God gay or straight?" Mom said, "Well, God is both, I guess."
The boy said, "So, Michael Jackson is God?"
Ba-dump-bump
Is life God's movie, or just a fantasy matrix created by the AI agents who have us all plugged in like batteries to their power plant? :^) There is no spoon!
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| Re: dose the walker chose the path or the path the walker?
by kazzzz on 14 January 2006 11:05pm |
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Jaime I thought mine were lying when they said black pudding was made from pigs blood too!
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| Re: dose the walker chose the path or the path the walker?
by canaveralgumby on 16 January 2006 3:09am |
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answers to the quotes:
1) Yogi Berra
2) George Harrison
3) Geddy Lee |
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