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difference in class by Rosielidington on 17 June 2006 6:58pm
 
Hi,

I propose a debate of which I am completely impartial. I would like to know if you feel travelling is a middle/upper middle class activity?

Thankyou!

Rosie
 
Re: difference in class by arty_farty on 17 June 2006 8:04pm
 
traveling is for everyone. its the purpose of the journey that makes it a class related activity.
 
Re: difference in class by bandgeek512 on 17 June 2006 9:25pm
 
I have to disagree. Although money does determine your accomodations and basic comfort while you are traveling, you can travel even when you don't have much money. It's all about research and budget.
 
Re: difference in class by Ginnyp on 17 June 2006 10:53pm
 
You only have to read the papers to see that people do manage to travel, even on Social Security payments.
 
Re: difference in class by perfectbitch on 17 June 2006 11:15pm
 
Actually Ginnyp, if you are on Job Seekers Allownce, you are not able to leave the country as it renders you unavailable for work. You can take a holiday within the UK but you have to leave a contact number in case a job turns up. It aoesn't matter if the holiday is a gift from someone else either.

Linz
 
Re: difference in class by Ginnyp on 17 June 2006 11:26pm
 
From what I have read you do not get paid the allowance while you are on holiday and you would have to edit that in to your holiday cost. We are part of the EEA, nobody can stop us from leaving the country.
regards
Ginny
 
Re: difference in class by tucsonmike on 18 June 2006 4:47am
 
Historically, the "Grand Tour" was an upper crust activity. Face it, there was a time in the Middle Ages, when traveling outside your village was big stuff. Probably for many in the late 19th and early 20th Century, if you were poor, you were traveling to emigrate, not for pleasure.

Nowdays, it will depend on the destination, accomodations etc. Actually I just thought of an example. The Copper Canyon Railway in Mexico.
There is a regular Mexican train that runs through the canyon that just about anyone can afford. Then there is the Sierra Madre Express, (we have that as first prize in a raffle we are running at the museum). That costs $7000 for a couple for two weeks, not counting transportation to Tucson from somewhere else.

http://www.sierramadreexpress.com/

I've stayed on the Queen Mary, now docked in Long Beach, CA. There were class differences on board the ship.

So yes, it depends.
 
Re: difference in class by perfectbitch on 18 June 2006 8:25am
 
It's not just that you lose your cash benefit Ginny, you lose your housing and council tax benefit as well and when you return, you have to make fresh claims for thiese benefits which can take weeks to sort out.

Linz
 
Re: difference in class by sighthound on 18 June 2006 9:58am
 
I'm wondering if there is a difference in the "classes that travel" between Europe and America??? Americans are such a peripathetic, egalitarian group that I don't think that the lack of money stops many people from moving about the country. Since there are so many interesting places in North America that are best visited by private vehicles, one only has to scrape up enough money for gas which has been extraordinarily cheap here until this year. All major highways have rest stops where people can sleep quite safely without paying for a hotel room. I've met all sorts of very interesting people at rest stops who are out to see the world - or at least as much of it as they can get to in their car.

And then there's the RV culture here which seems to be mainly a lower- middle-class phenomenom - people "of a certain age" who decide to retire to live on the road. Lots of writers and artists take to the road, too, but most of the hard-core "sunbirds" I've met seem to be people who have spent their lives slogging away at dead-end, boring jobs and then sell off everything they own, buy a modest RV and take off. Most of them seem to be quite happy.
 
Re: difference in class by bandgeek512 on 18 June 2006 3:37pm
 
Good point! :-)
 
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