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Mexico's Election. It Isn't Over Yet. by tucsonmike on 10 July 2006 3:28am
 
Well, the votes have been counted. The PAN candidate Felipe Calderon won by 244,000 votes out of 41 million cast. Obrador has demanded a recount. If the court agrees, all 41 million ballots have to be recounted.

There was a 100,000 person protest yesterday in the Zocalo in Mexico City. It was peaceful as Obrador asked his followers to keep it. The U.S. State Department is warning Americans to avoid downtown Mexico City though.

I am keeping an eye on this. Living here means I do have to live with the result.
 
Re: Mexico's Election. It Isn't Over Yet. by sighthound on 10 July 2006 3:59am
 
I doubt it if will be settled until September when it has to be by law. I've heard that there is some talk about a coalition government being formed. Seems a good idea from my Anglo perspective. Do we have any Mexxican members here?
 
Re: Mexico's Election. It Isn't Over Yet. by Ellerd on 12 July 2006 1:15am
 
^^"Living here means I do have to live with the result."

Why? Can you explain this comment a little further, Mike? Thanks!
 
Re: Mexico's Election. It Isn't Over Yet. by tucsonmike on 12 July 2006 2:42am
 
It's as follows, Ellerd. Tucson's "econmic zone" really goes almost to Mexico City.

If I was voting my pocketbook with nothing ethical to hold me back, I would support Obrador. He wants a more closed Mexican economy and less trade with us. He doesn't really like Americans, but will work with us where he has to. If Obrador wins, more poor Mexicans will come to do things like work on my house and my yard work and I can pay less money.

If the Election Commission agrees that Felipe Calderon is the winner, it will be complete free trade. Calderon is a Conservative Economist. He will work for investment in Mexico to keep Mexicans at home.

My other side supports Calderon. He is the more skilled of the two and Mexico will improve under him.

You cannot completely shut this border down. We have to live with each other and do business.
 
Re: Mexico's Election. It Isn't Over Yet. by tucsonmike on 8 August 2006 6:33am
 
The latest? The election commission is only going to recount certain districts. By September 6th, the commission has to do one of two things.
1. Declare a winner.
2. Rule the election null and void and begin again.

Obrador's people have occupied the Zocalo in Mexico City (really the heart of Mexico, built over the original Aztec City). Obrador was a mayor of Mexico City, so the police are not clearing the square.

Tourists in Oaxaca are still being subjected to roadblocks and demands for ID. The police have already said, "we cannot protect you."

I hope the PRI isn't proven right. For the years they were in power (1929-2000), their entire campaign was "without us, you get another bloody revolution."

I gaze southward and wonder...
 
Re: Mexico's Election. It Isn't Over Yet. by George on 10 August 2006 4:41am
 
I would hate the see the election ruled null and void for the simple reason that it would set a very bad precedent. Lord knows we've had close/disputed elections here, but fortunately, they were all settled without bloodshed or coup d'etats. The best thing Al Gore ever did was to "concede" to Bush in 2000. Some things are just more important than winning elections. Some will remember Nixon NOT challenging Kennedy's election in 1960 when the issue was Cook County, Illinois, rather than Dade County, Florida. Kennedy's election was oh-so-close.

Mexico is on the brink of becoming one of the world's elite nations. What a pity it would be for them to fall apart now.
 
Re: Mexico's Election. It Isn't Over Yet. by Ellerd on 31 August 2006 6:10am
 
Still following the Mexican election, Mike? Judging from this report, it just keeps on getting weirder and weirder...

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/world/15395867.htm

Obrador wants to create a parallel Mexican government. Give it up mate, you lost!
 
Re: Mexico's Election. It Isn't Over Yet. by George on 31 August 2006 6:42am
 
I'm thinking it's just the "macho" thing for Obrador to say, but it's still scary. Mexico has an awful lot to lose if their government becomes unstable. If the American banks which facilitate the transfer of $$$ every day to Mexico were to suddenly stop, Obrador's personal safety might come into question.
 
Re: Mexico's Election. It Isn't Over Yet. by tucsonmike on 31 August 2006 7:06am
 
You bet I am still following it! September 6th, next Thursday is beginning to look scarier and scarier. The neighboring congressional district has a wild race going on with veiled anti-Mexican rhetoric. Oh what a mess!!!
 
Re: Mexico's Election. It Isn't Over Yet. by George on 31 August 2006 8:46pm
 
The situation here in Texas is complicated. No matter the politcal rhetoric, Texas has always had an "open door" policy when it comes to Mexico or any western hemishere nation. Sure, there are abuses of the social services we provide, but they are outweighed by the benefits from our immigrant population, by far. I could write 10 pages on the subject. The Bush administration policy is nothing more than "eye wash" for the labor unions. I know Bush himself knows it's all b.s., but it's just the nature of politics.
 
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